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July 13, 2009

To swim or not to swim? After allegations of racism, the water is muddy

Posted: 11:27 AM ET

TV/Web Producer Kate

A suburban Philadelphia swim club faced allegations of racism after a group of children from a day-care center that had paid for access to the pool were privy to racist remarks while swimming there.

Later in the day, the Valley Club terminated it's contract with the day-care center.

With the children terribly upset and their contract terminated with no explanation, the day-care center brought the incident to the public eye. The Valley Club responded by saying that the contract termination was not the result of racism, but due to the fact that there were too many children in the pool with the day-care there. However, to help smooth the incident over, the club invited the children back to swim.

We asked Morning Express viewers for their take on what the day-care center should do next. Should they accept the clubs offer to return, even after many children suffered such a terrible experience there? Or should they find somewhere else to swim? Or do you think there is another solution entirely?

See what Morning Express viewers have to say below, and share your own thoughts in the comments field.

- I think the kids should decide whether to go or not, as several were very upset. Plus have the attitudes of their regular patrons changed?

- Teach the daycare kids that even racists at the swim club can change & do the right thing by them. Go back & swim! – Sharalee in Santee, CA

- I think nothing short of giving those kids a PRIVATE DAY at the pool each week, would be right to smooth feathers again. – Steve in Alabama

- I feel they shouldn't accept the invite. There will still be members to speak out, so why put kids through that?

- The children should go back, it would send a clear message that racial discrimination is not tolerated in the USA period. – Kelly Trammell in Fort Worth, Texas

- I think that a positive approach will overcome all negativity. They should return and stand in the face of racism. – T Smith in Jackson, Mississippi

- I would not take my camp back there. It took too much to get the club to recognize they did wrong. If I were them I would find a new more welcoming club.

- There is no advantage to the little campers. They would just be swallowing their pride, and providing a kind of therapy for the pool-club's intolerant members. It's a sad life lesson that needs not to be taught. – Arnie in Ottowa

- Not going back would perpetuate mutual bad feelings. If kids OK with going, this would be a great healing opportunity for everyone. – Scott in Rochester, New York

- They should take the offer. They were over-reacting either way ...

- I'd tell them to kiss my bass. Thanks. – Chuck in Toledo

- I do not think the camp should go back to the pool, obviously the staff and guests there have issues ... my heart goes out to the day camp. – Lindy, TX

- I would not take the kids back, they only want them back because they're scared of a lawsuit. – Alesia in North Carolina

- I would as long as they get those white people out of the pool. Then they can see how it feels to be treated like trash. – Mike in Texas.

- I believe that the children should go back and swim. Be the bigger person in this case and show others that they accept the apology of those at fault.

- ABSOLUTELY NOT! The ignorance of people nowadays is shameful. The daycare should take their money somewhere else! – Amanda in Niagara Falls, NY

- They should ask the kids how they feel, if they'd like to go back or find another place to swim for the summer.

- Concerning the swim camp issue: I thing the camp should return and take the opportunity to show the children that although racism still exists, that there are also people that will do the right thing when it is brought to their attention. Racism is like abuse, it should not be hidden. Change occurs when things are brought to the forefront. The children have an opportunity to be part of something that started out negative and turns into something positive. It can be a great opportunity to stand strong in faith ... – Donna Medlin in Tappahannock, Virginia

- ABSOLUTELY NOT. I'm half American Indian and would NEVER take a chance of re-exposing my children. I taught mine to respect WHO YOU ARE! – Rebecca in Everett, Washington

- It is difficult to see the swim club doing anything else here but "sugarcoating racism" even a tearful apology on TV doesn't cut it. – Columbus Ohio

- The club should not have invited the camp back. Over crowding is not safe and if something were to happen, the club would be liable. Kaivon-Orlando

- No way would I send a child of mine to suffer that hurt again. THE ATTITUDES OF THE PATRONS HAVE NOT CHANGED – IT'S JUST BEEN EXPOSED. SHAME. – Linda W.

- These are adults, they should know better than to make those kinds of remarks. Those kids should not return there.

- There's no point in fighting for something if you're not going to reap your reward after fighting. This is what they wanted, isn't it? – Randy

- I think that the day camp should stay away from that pool. This should have never happened. – Sylvia

- What a shame. I hope the reason and the offer 2 have them back is genuine, I hope this can be resolved.

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LB   July 13th, 2009 12:42 pm ET

Why should any child suffer these types of indignities? The pool should either be sued, shut down, or change their private attendance policy, not to include just whites.

Millie in Wisconsin   July 13th, 2009 3:31 pm ET

I am currently reading the novel To Kill a Mockingbird with a group of students. We have discussed what happened at The Valley Club. The pool incident weighs heavy on our hearts. Should they return? Let the children decide. It is a sin to kill a mockingbird.

Jeff   July 13th, 2009 5:23 pm ET

I saw this story on the news yesterday and then again today,People should be ashamed of themselves,it is uncalled for and it shouldn't have happened.To see that kids face that they interviewed,i felt like crying too.

Clarence S. Hathaway   July 13th, 2009 8:24 pm ET

I wouldn't want to return to a place I was treated badly, would you? This is 2009, and I am amazed there is no end to racism. We have come so far and it still lives. I am ashamed as a white American of the behavior of a few.

Jon Phillip Boulton   July 13th, 2009 8:59 pm ET

First of all, the kid about to cry really got to me. Color of skin should not be seen and all kids should have fun. So let's put difference aside and let the kids have fun no matter what color their skin is.
Jon Phillip Boulton-Paducah, Ky.

Kathryn, Lloyd, Gretchen, and Jon Brinker   July 14th, 2009 12:51 am ET

Robin, you were snazzy and jazzy in your lovely black-and-white-with-red outfit this morning ! We really did enjoy you and Jenn's reenactment of the dance moves from "Fame" when you shared the anniversary segment with us ! The musical "Fame" was choreographed with you in mind, Robin ! Now on a very serious note: the mind-boggling swim club situation in Philadelphia . . . what planet are these owners/managers living on, thinking that in the year 2009 they could pull a fast one without having any feedback from the media? Oh, yes, the club is receiving publicity–only in the negative way, though ! No, these children should not return to the facility because they would only be filmed again for the ignorant club individuals to witness ! Reverend Al Sharpton, Reverend Jesse Jackson, and our President Obama all conveyed through their recent messages of ending this racism that continues to plague our society: they begged for all Americans to unite as one whole family ! What really touched our hearts were the sad faces of these poor, helpless little children as they were refused upon entering the swimming
pool ! They hadn't done anything wrong they thought, so why were they being punished; all this does is lead our youth into a confused world filled with hatred (and all sorts of corruption) ! We can only hope and pray that time and love can prevail, and can somehow erase the racist negativity which still exists to this day ! Have a great week, Robin !Remember: we love ya, Ohio girl . . . Robin's Follies !!!

Cherlisa   July 15th, 2009 8:04 am ET

I do believe the Valley Club should be sued. I agree that this is a teachable moment and I believe that the teaching moment for the children should be through our justice system. It will show them that they don't have to lie down and let people walk over them. It will show them they have a voice and must use it. It will also be a teachable moment for the world as the camps director said. It will show those people that want to continue the ignorant act of racism in 2009 that they will not get away with it everytime and hopefully they will stop if it hurts their own pockets. It will also let them know that some people do recognize that racism exist and will not everyone will allow it to continue being swept under the rug. For the rest of the world it will show that we all, no matter what race, do have a voice and racism doesn't have to be tolerated. It's time to unify and end the ignorance. It will not happen if people continue to get away with this type of action.

THE ROCKET   July 16th, 2009 11:49 am ET

NO WAY! WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE ANYWAYS..VERY CRUEL AND COLD HEARTED..THEY DO NOT NEED TO DROWN DOWN TO THAT LEVEL..FORGIVE, HOWEVER I FEEL THEY SHOULD NOT HAVE TO GAIN ACCEPTANCE BY RETURNING..THESE PEOPLE SHOULD ALREADY KNOW RIGHT AND WRONG IN THEIR HEARTS AND IT SHOULD'T TAKE BEING EXPOSED AND RIDICULED ON THE NEWS TO HAVE A CHANGE OF OPINION.

nardofree in va.   July 16th, 2009 4:13 pm ET

THIS STUFF HAPPENS ALL AROUND THE COUNTRY. YES IN THE YEAR 2009. IT STILL HAPPENS . IT'S SO SAD THAT OUT OF THE ABUNDANCE OF THE HEART, THE MOUTH SPEAKS.

Abbe   July 16th, 2009 8:26 pm ET

They should definitely not go back, this club does not want them, they are just trying to prevent a lawsuit. The same members and the same attitudes are still there, shame on all of them.

tim   July 19th, 2009 9:53 pm ET

if you don't feel welcome, then why bother?

Joe   July 21st, 2009 10:59 am ET

I haven't heard you talk about any of the fathers out their that are out of work and can't pay their child support. It's disheartening enough knowing that you can't find work, can't you can barely take care of yourself let alone take care of your child. Our only reward for this is a suspended Drivers License? How does that help the situation? How is it in our child's best interest to make it harder to get around and go find a job? When is the D.O.R (Department of revenue) going to change their policy?
Help us find jobs!!!! Wouldn't this be better for our children?
It's not our fault the economy is in a rut, and jobs are few and in between. Don't penalize us, help us be better mothers and fathers by helping us to find jobs!!

PW   July 22nd, 2009 11:00 am ET

OMG THIS HAS TO STOP..THIS CHILD SHOULD NOT BE TAUGHT . RACISM..BLACK OR WHITE...HOW DID THIS CHILD AS LITTLE AS HE IS. KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT,"" I THOUGHT ALL THIS WAS BEHIND US..COME ON PEOPLE WAKE UP ALL THIS HAS TO BE TAUGHT TO OUR KIDS .. WHY DIDNT HE GO RT TO CHILD CARE WORKER AND BRING IT TO THE ATTENT OF THE MEMBER THAT SD THAT WHY BLAME THE CENTER MY GOD WE REALLY NEED TO STOP TEACHING OUR KIDS HOW TO BE BLACK OR WHITE ..I BELIEVE IF RACISM IS CLLD THEN IT SHOULD BE THE PERSON THAT SD IT NOT THE PLACE I UNDERSTAND THE CTR TURN AWAY PEOPLE IN GROUPS ALL THE TIME ..WE KEEP LIVING IN THE PAST WE WILL NEVER GO FORWARD ..ALL WE DO IS TEACH OUR KIDS THIS STUFF..WHITE OR BLACK SHOULDNT EVEN BE IN THEIR LITTLE BRAINS. WE ARE ALL PEOPLE .. WE ALL KNEW ABOUT HOW THE PAST WAS NONE OF US LIVED BACK THEN GET OVER IT AND MOVE FORWARD ..

PW   July 22nd, 2009 11:09 am ET

LOOK AT MJ AND HIS KIDS THEY ARE WHITE DECENDS AND HE IS BLACK AND LOOK AT THE LOVE HIS FAMILY AND HIS KIDS HAVE ..BECAUSE THEY DONT TEACH BLACK AND WHITE THERE..PERFECT EXAMPLE..THE LOVE HAVE NO COLORS..WE MUST UNITE AS ONE AND STOP THIS CRAP IF YOU HEAR RACISM , GO AND GET MANGMENT AND CONFRONT THE PERSON THAT SAID THAT THIS LITTLE BOY MIGHT HAVE TOOK THIS WRONG MAYBE THIS MEMBER SD WHAT IS THIS BLACK KID DOING JUST LIKE THEY WOULD SAY WHAT IS THIS LITTLE SPANISH KID DOING..NO THE MEMBER IF SD THAT WHAT IS THIS KID DOING ..TAKE THE LOVING WITHOUT COLOR JUST MJ FAMILY..

Roechalle   July 24th, 2009 9:05 am ET

ATTN: Robin

If the man had been white, it would neither be on television nor would the president have commented on it. If the man had acted normal instead of beligerent, he would not have been arrested. Good job Mr. Policeman.

Barry Snyder   September 20th, 2009 6:47 pm ET

I think eve4ryone is missing the problem here. Where did the kids learn their racist manners? If the parents were allowed to exercise control of their children without the fear of prosecution, maybe, I doubt it though, things would improve.

If their teachers focused more on teaching our children instead of looking for ways to put the parents in the background as an unnecessary people.

If the parents could discipline their children without fear of prosecution, maybe there wouldn't be so many gangs running around.

Think about it, none of our children were born racist, they were taught it.
It all starts at home!

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